magik
2nd XI player
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County club member: Sussex
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Post by magik on Oct 10, 2017 12:19:03 GMT
Has been offered a new contact, but also has another (better) offer on the table (I won’t name who but it’s pretty obvious!). I think he’ll probably go.
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Phil Salt
Oct 10, 2017 14:18:18 GMT
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Post by jonboy on Oct 10, 2017 14:18:18 GMT
A shame, but I suppose it's more in the pot for a top quality batsman
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Post by liquidskin on Oct 11, 2017 20:06:38 GMT
A shame, but I suppose it's more in the pot for a top quality batsman What top quality batsman would that be?
Couldn't blame any young player for leaving Sussex. Should have played him much more this year.
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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 11, 2017 20:44:31 GMT
A shame, but I suppose it's more in the pot for a top quality batsman What top quality batsman would that be?
Couldn't blame any young player for leaving Sussex. Should have played him much more this year.
Why? Didn't he average 35 in the seconds? Surely he should have to deserve his first team place? He has loads of potential but why should he be an automatic starter without scoring a bucket load of runs? |
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Post by smithers2 on Oct 12, 2017 14:41:08 GMT
One factor I am sure Salt is considering in his decision making as to whether to stay or not is, who kept him out of the first team last season and who is likely to keep him out next season?
The answer whilst Mark Davis remains in office is clearly Laurie Evans! Davis had ample reason and opportunities in 2017 to drop Evans and play Salt but astonishingly chose not to do so.
Clearly having shelled out big money to sign Evans who at the time could not command a regular first team place at Warwickshire (now relegated to div 2), Davis gave him chance after chance to try and vindicate his own decision to sign him and time after time this backfired spectacularly and embarrassingly for both himself, for Evans and the club!
If Salt does go as now looks likely, I wouldn't blame him at all in fact I say "good luck" to him. The Sussex selectors have demonstrated to him that their policy in this matter is to keep playing an expensive and aging reject signed from another county rather than one of our own exciting up and coming products of the academy!
This is just the kind of deficient decision making I was hoping Rob Andrew would step in and eradicate!
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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 12, 2017 15:04:42 GMT
One factor I am sure Salt is considering in his decision making as to whether to stay or not is, who kept him out of the first team last season and who is likely to keep him out next season? The answer whilst Mark Davis remains in office is clearly Laurie Evans! Davis had ample reason and opportunities in 2017 to drop Evans and play Salt but astonishingly chose not to do so. Clearly having shelled out big money to sign Evans who at the time could not command a regular first team place at Warwickshire (now relegated to div 2), Davis gave him chance after chance to try and vindicate his own decision to sign him and time after time this backfired spectacularly and embarrassingly for both himself, for Evans and the club! If Salt does go as now looks likely, I wouldn't blame him at all in fact I say "good luck" to him. The Sussex selectors have demonstrated to him that their policy in this matter is to keep playing an expensive and aging reject signed from another county rather than one of our own exciting up and coming products of the academy! This is just the kind of deficient decision making I was hoping Rob Andrew would step in and eradicate! What competition are you talking about? The county champs where Evans only played 4 games? Or the 50 over comp where Evans was our best player? Or the T20 comp where Evans again had a good season? Or are you talking nonsense? |
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Post by joe on Oct 12, 2017 15:42:02 GMT
But who’s to say Salt wouldn’t have had a good season if he’d been given the chances that Evans had? I agree with smithers, we’ve invested time and money getting these academy boys ready for first class cricket but give them very few opportunities. Yes he’s had an indifferent season playing for the 2’s this year but this is his second season and you can understand his desire to play on the big stage instead of some backwater in front of one man and his cat. Invariably players step up when required. He must be good enough if he was given a contract in the first place. I’d rather see Salt given games and failing a few times than I would Evans. Salt is bound to feel tempted by another club if they’re offering him game time. If he does go I think it’s a poor show by Sussex and one that will inevitably come back to bite us!
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Post by smithers2 on Oct 12, 2017 16:37:00 GMT
Lovelyboy are you being serious? The question should be, which Laurie Evans are you talking about? I am talking about the one which we signed from Warwickshire seconds at the beginning of the 2017 season and of the several "Big Money" signings we made around this time was by far the most disappointing in terms of 'Return on Investment' (or at least on a par with the Ross Taylor T20 debacle!) and nobody with even the slightest grasp of cricket or basic business-acumen can reasonably argue otherwise!
As far as your remark above regarding Evans being our "best player" in the 50 over competition is concerned, I can only presume that you are ruling out all of the bowlers and all-rounders in this view or getting his performances confused with those of young Harry Finch or Chris Nash or one of our other batsmen who out-performed Evans match after match.
Moving onto your further comments that Evans had a "good season" in the T20 comp is concerned, then your opinion of what constitutes a good season is quite different to mine. Also regardless of how many matches he played in the County Champs, I would ask you to research his batting average over these 8 innings and then try and justify your viewpoint above.
In answer to your final question above, on the contrary I firmly believe that it is you who is talking nonsense here! Either that or you are Laurie Evans's Dad!
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Oct 12, 2017 19:15:17 GMT
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Post by jonboy on Oct 12, 2017 19:15:17 GMT
I think there are several issues here Probably Evans has been given more chances than he perhaps warranted Was a bit meh about the signing in the first place, but I suppose you can understand the decision, given his experience, to give him first dibs
Secondly, Salt's form for the seconds, was not great He was OK, but perhaps not really enough to fast track him into the first eleven
Where Salt could possibly have expected more exposure, was in the T 20 He can be an explosive batsman, and that's something we could have done with in that competition Again, he wasn't helped by the decision to always play 6 bowlers With Nash, Wright, Van Zyl and the overseas, Taylor, ahead of him in the pecking order, he was always going to be up against it
I hope he signs, but if someone can offer him a regular place, then he might be tempted
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magik
2nd XI player
Posts: 157
County club member: Sussex
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Post by magik on Oct 12, 2017 19:35:10 GMT
Hopefully he decides to stay when Davis goes.
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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 12, 2017 19:46:54 GMT
Lovelyboy are you being serious? The question should be, which Laurie Evans are you talking about? I am talking about the one which we signed from Warwickshire seconds at the beginning of the 2017 season and of the several "Big Money" signings we made around this time was by far the most disappointing in terms of 'Return on Investment' (or at least on a par with the Ross Taylor T20 debacle!) and nobody with even the slightest grasp of cricket or basic business-acumen can reasonably argue otherwise! As far as your remark above regarding Evans being our "best player" in the 50 over competition is concerned, I can only presume that you are ruling out all of the bowlers and all-rounders in this view or getting his performances confused with those of young Harry Finch or Chris Nash or one of our other batsmen who out-performed Evans match after match. Moving onto your further comments that Evans had a "good season" in the T20 comp is concerned, then your opinion of what constitutes a good season is quite different to mine. Also regardless of how many matches he played in the County Champs, I would ask you to research his batting average over these 8 innings and then try and justify your viewpoint above. In answer to your final question above, on the contrary I firmly believe that it is you who is talking nonsense here! Either that or you are Laurie Evans's Dad! [ Evening champ You should really look at the facts before you start ranting Evans was our highest run scorer in the fifty over comp with an average of 57 and a sr of over 120! T20 only Nash and Lukey scored more runs than him Cc he was a huge disappointment but I don't think playing four matches is giving him too many chances!! |
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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 12, 2017 19:48:54 GMT
But who’s to say Salt wouldn’t have had a good season if he’d been given the chances that Evans had? I agree with smithers, we’ve invested time and money getting these academy boys ready for first class cricket but give them very few opportunities. Yes he’s had an indifferent season playing for the 2’s this year but this is his second season and you can understand his desire to play on the big stage instead of some backwater in front of one man and his cat. Invariably players step up when required. He must be good enough if he was given a contract in the first place. I’d rather see Salt given games and failing a few times than I would Evans. Salt is bound to feel tempted by another club if they’re offering him game time. If he does go I think it’s a poor show by Sussex and one that will inevitably come back to bite us! I always want to see young academy players playing but they have to earn the right. They shouldn't start in the first team just because they are young and born in Sussex! |
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Post by joe on Oct 12, 2017 19:59:35 GMT
But who’s to say Salt wouldn’t have had a good season if he’d been given the chances that Evans had? I agree with smithers, we’ve invested time and money getting these academy boys ready for first class cricket but give them very few opportunities. Yes he’s had an indifferent season playing for the 2’s this year but this is his second season and you can understand his desire to play on the big stage instead of some backwater in front of one man and his cat. Invariably players step up when required. He must be good enough if he was given a contract in the first place. I’d rather see Salt given games and failing a few times than I would Evans. Salt is bound to feel tempted by another club if they’re offering him game time. If he does go I think it’s a poor show by Sussex and one that will inevitably come back to bite us! I always want to see young academy players playing but they have to earn the right. They shouldn't start in the first team just because they are young and born in Sussex! Absolutely but he did have a very good first season with the seconds and would have expected to get opportunities in the first XI this year. He’s still very young and also ambitious and it would be a real shame if he had to leave to fulfill that ambition when he clearly wants to stay. |
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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 12, 2017 20:02:06 GMT
I always want to see young academy players playing but they have to earn the right. They shouldn't start in the first team just because they are young and born in Sussex! Absolutely but he did have a very good first season with the seconds and would have expected to get opportunities in the first XI this year. He’s still very young and also ambitious and it would be a real shame if he had to leave to fulfill that ambition when he clearly wants to stay. Totally agree Joe. Don't get me wrong I'd love him to stay and score bucket loads of runs for us. Just don't think any youngster should feel entitled to a first team spot |
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Phil Salt
Oct 12, 2017 20:21:28 GMT
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Oct 12, 2017 20:21:28 GMT
One factor I am sure Salt is considering in his decision making as to whether to stay or not is, who kept him out of the first team last season and who is likely to keep him out next season? The answer whilst Mark Davis remains in office is clearly Laurie Evans! Davis had ample reason and opportunities in 2017 to drop Evans and play Salt but astonishingly chose not to do so. Clearly having shelled out big money to sign Evans who at the time could not command a regular first team place at Warwickshire (now relegated to div 2), Davis gave him chance after chance to try and vindicate his own decision to sign him and time after time this backfired spectacularly and embarrassingly for both himself, for Evans and the club! If Salt does go as now looks likely, I wouldn't blame him at all in fact I say "good luck" to him. The Sussex selectors have demonstrated to him that their policy in this matter is to keep playing an expensive and aging reject signed from another county rather than one of our own exciting up and coming products of the academy! This is just the kind of deficient decision making I was hoping Rob Andrew would step in and eradicate! What competition are you talking about? The county champs where Evans only played 4 games? Or the 50 over comp where Evans was our best player? Or the T20 comp where Evans again had a good season? Or are you talking nonsense? Yes quite, Evans didn't play a championship match after May, and did indeed have more than decent campaigns in the whiteball competitions. But of course, he came in from outside, so let's pick on him. |
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