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Post by coverpoint on Jun 9, 2017 7:12:39 GMT
Or give Garton and Whittingham more opportunities. Wouldn't really solve the problem of a lack of experience though We have Jordan and Wiese for that. Archer, Garton and Whittingham should be playing first team cricket. |
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Post by jonboy on Jun 9, 2017 7:20:46 GMT
Wouldn't really solve the problem of a lack of experience though We have Jordan and Wiese for that. Archer, Garton and Whittingham should be playing first team cricket. Why? On what basis should they be selected ahead of Philander, Jordan, Archer, Wiese or Magoffin? Robinson, Garton, Whittingham and Sakande are all good prospects but they have to produce a bit more to get ahead of those players. They will get chances of course, but if Philander, Magoffin and Shahzad leave, I believe we will need to recruit one more experienced seamer |
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Post by howardh on Jun 9, 2017 7:58:49 GMT
Have to concur with Coverpoint on this one. Jonboy, why give players contracts and not use them. How on earth do you gain experience? At what age did Ball, Broad, Anderson, Plunkett to name but four start to play county cricket regularly?
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Post by joe on Jun 9, 2017 8:32:51 GMT
We have Jordan and Wiese for that. Archer, Garton and Whittingham should be playing first team cricket. Why? On what basis should they be selected ahead of Philander, Jordan, Archer, Wiese or Magoffin? Robinson, Garton, Whittingham and Sakande are all good prospects but they have to produce a bit more to get ahead of those players. They will get chances of course, but if Philander, Magoffin and Shahzad leave, I believe we will need to recruit one more experienced seamer I don't think coverpoint meant they should play ahead of anyone but that they should play with them, and I totally agree. There'll be two bowling places to fill after Philander goes and Magoffin is still injured, play our contracted players. Whittingham has recently been playing for Scotland, Garton for the Lions and Rawlins for the Eng U19's. They are all great prospects and need regular first team chances to progress. My worry is that they'll all look elsewhere if they're not shown any faith by Sussex. |
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Post by jonboy on Jun 9, 2017 9:57:21 GMT
Why? On what basis should they be selected ahead of Philander, Jordan, Archer, Wiese or Magoffin? Robinson, Garton, Whittingham and Sakande are all good prospects but they have to produce a bit more to get ahead of those players. They will get chances of course, but if Philander, Magoffin and Shahzad leave, I believe we will need to recruit one more experienced seamer I don't think coverpoint meant they should play ahead of anyone but that they should play with them, and I totally agree. There'll be two bowling places to fill after Philander goes and Magoffin is still injured, play our contracted players. Whittingham has recently been playing for Scotland, Garton for the Lions and Rawlins for the Eng U19's. They are all great prospects and need regular first team chances to progress. My worry is that they'll all look elsewhere if they're not shown any faith by Sussex. I think there has been crossed wires here. Maybe CP is talking about the immediate future, and I concur, let the youngsters take up the slack. Next season though, if we are without Philander, Magoffin and Shahzad, then I firmly believe we will need to add one more experienced seamer to the group. We currently have 10 front line seamers, plus Mills (T20) and that is probably a couple too many. However, 7 is not enough, especially if 5 of them are relatively inexperienced. I'm not sure if any of the academy seamers will be ready to step up, so we will need to bring one in from the outside. Surely 8 seamers would provide the five youngsters with ample opportunities. |
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Post by joe on Jun 9, 2017 12:11:29 GMT
Uncontested toss but no wickets before lunch.
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Post by flashblade on Jun 9, 2017 14:28:00 GMT
Uncontested toss but no wickets before lunch. To be fair, rain heavily curtailed play before lunch. The wickets fell in the 19th and 27th over. |
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Post by jonboy on Jun 9, 2017 15:04:12 GMT
Come on Sussex, making hard work of this
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 9, 2017 17:03:45 GMT
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Post by liquidskin on Jun 9, 2017 17:06:49 GMT
Wouldn't really solve the problem of a lack of experience though We have Jordan and Wiese for that. Archer, Garton and Whittingham should be playing first team cricket. Fat chance, not at Sussex. For years now we've preferred to draft in average but experienced bowlers from all over the world rather than give the opportunity to local youth, and it's pathetic. After Philander leaves our strongest attack will be the three above plus Jordan and Beer instead of Briggs too but that doesn't fit in with our safety first negative containing policy.
I wouldn't wanna be a young home-grown player making his way at Sussex, especially a bowler. Garton barely got a look in for our dire one-day side yet he's good enough for a Lions side that would tonk us ten times out of ten. Both Garton and Whittingham had good seasons last year but where are they now. I know where I'd be, on the phone to other counties.
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Post by nemmo on Jun 9, 2017 17:46:24 GMT
Surely people need to start thinking about the future for Archer. Will another county (Surrey?) try and swoop for him while he's young? Will Sussex be able to keep him? Will he hold out for England qualification or will the Windies ask for him to play before then? |
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Post by liquidskin on Jun 9, 2017 17:51:15 GMT
Anyone think we rely too much on Archer? He's bowled a lot of overs this season I suspect. How do the Windies let a man like this slip through the net? Or is it just a case of him deciding his career will go much better and with greater rewards in England.
Jordan's very hit and miss, I quite like that though. We have two containers in this attack, that doesn't help your chances of bowling sides out. I'm sure we'd bowl sides out quicker with an attack of Jordan, Archer, Garton, Whittingham and Beer. I just wish we'd try this stuff before condemning it and spending all our budget on Kolpaks, journeymen, has-beens and never-will-bes, just because they're 'experienced'.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 9, 2017 18:07:12 GMT
It isn't Garton and Whittingham fault they weren't born in South Africa or the West Indies.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 9, 2017 22:51:17 GMT
It isn't Garton and Whittingham fault they weren't born in South Africa or the West Indies. Archer is the example of what a Sussex youngster should do He put in the performances, big performances, for the seconds, which earned him a place in the first eleven. He took that chance with both hands and now he's a regular pick. That's what the other youngsters have to aim for. The odd three wicket haul for the seconds hardly demands inclusion does it |
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 10, 2017 4:58:45 GMT
I don't think coverpoint meant they should play ahead of anyone but that they should play with them, and I totally agree. There'll be two bowling places to fill after Philander goes and Magoffin is still injured, play our contracted players. Whittingham has recently been playing for Scotland, Garton for the Lions and Rawlins for the Eng U19's. They are all great prospects and need regular first team chances to progress. My worry is that they'll all look elsewhere if they're not shown any faith by Sussex. I think there has been crossed wires here. Maybe CP is talking about the immediate future, and I concur, let the youngsters take up the slack. Next season though, if we are without Philander, Magoffin and Shahzad, then I firmly believe we will need to add one more experienced seamer to the group. We currently have 10 front line seamers, plus Mills (T20) and that is probably a couple too many. However, 7 is not enough, especially if 5 of them are relatively inexperienced. I'm not sure if any of the academy seamers will be ready to step up, so we will need to bring one in from the outside. Surely 8 seamers would provide the five youngsters with ample opportunities. By the Academy seamers I assume you are referring to Garton, Sakande and Whittingham rather than any current Academy prospects? If it is the latter the only seamer who finishes in the Academy this year is Ben Twine. Tom Haines (Batsman), Nick Oxley (Spinner and improving batsman) and Joe Billings (Wicketkeeper) are the others to finish in the Academy in 2017. Even if Magoffin, Philander and Shahzad don't return in 2018 and assuming you discount Mills because he is only going to play T20 cricket I see no need to add more than one experienced seamer to the squad as we will have seven seamers (Archer, Garton, Jordan, Robinson, Sakande, Whittingham and Wiese). |
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