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Post by liquidskin on Jun 11, 2017 8:32:10 GMT
At last, a response with thought and fire. Well said Leedsmartlet, I didn't think this tepid unresponsive message board had it in it.
Some good arguments but I will say:
1. I definitely don't mean Philander - a proper quality legitimate overseas and we will miss him. I definitely do mean Wiese, along with a host of other journeymen, has-beens and Kolpaks turning up over the years to play instead of young home-grown talent - Thomas, Lewis, Keegan, Sandri, Voros, Davis, Rippon... the list is endless and so are the failures.
2. What Wright has done in the field with his tactics really isn't a good counter when you consider that the bloke stepped down mid season. Nash may be more attacking for all I know but only a fool would not have enforced the follow on with that weather forecast.
3. And he showed he should have played in all of those games not 4 out of 8. How many CC games has he played this year?
4. Yeah fair enough dire's the wrong word. Dire was the right word for the two previous campaigns but this year, when it mattered, we failed and it was predictable that we would. Progress but minimal.
5. Garton getting picked for the Lions, who are very strong and would batter Sussex, to me shouts out - pick Garton more. Yes he's young, he needs handling, resting and so on. But the thing he needs most of all is game time.
6. That's a clear example of what young home-grown players are up against. Ten poor overs on the back of 300 odd good ones last year and off to the scrapheap with you. If our own talent was allowed to make the same mistakes as our imports we'd be a much stronger team.
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Post by joe on Jun 11, 2017 8:54:44 GMT
At last, a response with thought and fire. Well said Leedsmartlet, I didn't think this tepid unresponsive message board had it in it. Some good arguments but I will say: 1. I definitely don't mean Philander - a proper quality legitimate overseas and we will miss him. I definitely do mean Wiese, along with a host of other journeymen, has-beens and Kolpaks turning up over the years to play instead of young home-grown talent - Thomas, Lewis, Keegan, Sandri, Voros, Davis, Rippon... the list is endless and so are the failures. 2. What Wright has done in the field with his tactics really isn't a good counter when you consider that the bloke stepped down mid season. Nash may be more attacking for all I know but only a fool would not have enforced the follow on with that weather forecast. 3. And he showed he should have played in all of those games not 4 out of 8. How many CC games has he played this year? 4. Yeah fair enough dire's the wrong word. Dire was the right word for the two previous campaigns but this year, when it mattered, we failed and it was predictable that we would. Progress but minimal. 5. Garton getting picked for the Lions, who are very strong and would batter Sussex, to me shouts out - pick Garton more. Yes he's young, he needs handling, resting and so on. But the thing he needs most of all is game time. 6. That's a clear example of what young home-grown players are up against. Ten poor overs on the back of 300 odd good ones last year and off to the scrapheap with you. If our own talent was allowed to make the same mistakes as our imports we'd be a much stronger team. Totally agree with point 6. My biggest beef is with Jordan. Swans off to the IPL, spends 6 weeks sitting on his harris, bowls 6 balls and faces 1 ball. Meanwhile back in blighty Sussex CCC are struggling in the 50 over comp where his white ball bowling expertise could have been put to good use. He comes back from the IPL out of form and is immediately put into the side where he has returned figures of 6/316 @ 52! And 3 off those wickets were the tail-Enders yesterday. You can't tell me that Whittingham or Garton couldn't have done a better job? The youngsters are told to take wickets and get runs in the 2's before theyre considered for the 1st team, I believe this should apply to all the players, no one should be too big to be dropped to regain form in the second XI. |
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Post by jonboy on Jun 11, 2017 9:10:28 GMT
At last, a response with thought and fire. Well said Leedsmartlet, I didn't think this tepid unresponsive message board had it in it. Some good arguments but I will say: 1. I definitely don't mean Philander - a proper quality legitimate overseas and we will miss him. I definitely do mean Wiese, along with a host of other journeymen, has-beens and Kolpaks turning up over the years to play instead of young home-grown talent - Thomas, Lewis, Keegan, Sandri, Voros, Davis, Rippon... the list is endless and so are the failures. 2. What Wright has done in the field with his tactics really isn't a good counter when you consider that the bloke stepped down mid season. Nash may be more attacking for all I know but only a fool would not have enforced the follow on with that weather forecast. 3. And he showed he should have played in all of those games not 4 out of 8. How many CC games has he played this year? 4. Yeah fair enough dire's the wrong word. Dire was the right word for the two previous campaigns but this year, when it mattered, we failed and it was predictable that we would. Progress but minimal. 5. Garton getting picked for the Lions, who are very strong and would batter Sussex, to me shouts out - pick Garton more. Yes he's young, he needs handling, resting and so on. But the thing he needs most of all is game time. 6. That's a clear example of what young home-grown players are up against. Ten poor overs on the back of 300 odd good ones last year and off to the scrapheap with you. If our own talent was allowed to make the same mistakes as our imports we'd be a much stronger team. Totally agree with point 6. My biggest beef is with Jordan. Swans off to the IPL, spends 6 weeks sitting on his harris, bowls 6 balls and faces 1 ball. Meanwhile back in blighty Sussex CCC are struggling in the 50 over comp where his white ball bowling expertise could have been put to good use. He comes back from the IPL out of form and is immediately put into the side where he has returned figures of 6/316 @ 52! And 3 off those wickets were the tail-Enders yesterday. You can't tell me that Whittingham or Garton couldn't have done a better job? The youngsters are told to take wickets and get runs in the 2's before theyre considered for the 1st team, I believe this should apply to all the players, no one should be too big to be dropped to regain form in the second XI. Well I actually suggested that Jordan should get up to speed in the seconds. It's a tricky one Joe, obviously the senior player would start, but yes, when their form is such that a spell out of the team would be beneficial, both to the team, and the player, then that has to happen. Where it becomes difficult, is when the potential replacements are going through the same struggles for the seconds, as the player they're looking to replace. I'm not saying that is always the case, but it does happen quite a lot. |
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Post by 2015t20everpresent on Jun 11, 2017 9:16:27 GMT
I have spent the last two days at Grace Road watching very absorbing cricket. Being quite new to the County Championship vibe (have mostly watched one day stuff) the first eye opener was the amount of hard work that goes into one days play. On Friday morning the weather was a little inclement leading to covers on cover off covers on and then off again. Hard work for the ground crew. Then the home openers got their heads down and grafted for 20 overs against some aggressive new ball Sussex pace bowling. Then as the day progressed batting got a little easier. This then led to about 4 hours of very hard toil in the field for our guys. ITS FULL ON !
Anyway I do see great team spirit togetherness and grit amongst this current squad with players stepping up when needed. CJ and Vernon (yes I know he is leaving us) yesterday showed all their experience and pride getting us out of a jam. Mark Davis is moving this team in the right direction (except for giving away too many tons !) and whilst County Championship promotion might be out of the equation this season we should go on to secure a few more exciting wins. Lets not write off winning in Leicester just yet. And we have the T20 Blast to come !!!!
I had a really lovely time at Grace Road and met a good number of away Sharks fans who have been travelling for a number of years.
Good luck to Vernon and Danny this morning as they receive the new ball at 11am. Lets hope they can battle on for a few overs and get us close.
GOSBTS
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Post by jonboy on Jun 11, 2017 9:21:58 GMT
Progress will be bettering last season's championship finish, and perhaps a trip to finals day
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 11, 2017 10:07:57 GMT
Interesting balance of opinions between the chap at the ground and those of us who follow from a distance. However good the radio commentary, however impeccably one analyses the pattern of fall of wickets, numbers of extras conceded, posts on Twitter referring to that splendid catch or the other appalling drop there is no substitute for actually watching the game to better understand it and how things happen. It is encouraging to read the optimism and sheer enthusiasm of 2015t20everpresent, and the fact that as you say, you have progressed from the one-day stuff to such enjoyment of the Championship. Don't get put off by the cynicism of some and the ego-tripping of others here, just enjoy your cricket and never feel afraid to say what you think. I haven't been to any Sussex away games this year, so I can't say with any certainty that their tactics and conduct differ markedly from their home play. I can say that man for man this Sussex squad is potentially quite as good as any I have seen and certainly is better than most of the other Second Division sides this year. The rub lies in the potentiality: Nash is almost certainly too bound up in the concerns of running his Testimonial activities to show his best form, Jordan is a long way from his best, and Luke Wright is still flashy and flaky. At Hove he got out by sheer carelessness, seemingly having shown everyone what he could do by slogging mightily, he didn't apply himself to the business of going on to make a big hundred. Others, including frawdy's bete noire Wiese, have made one or two scores or useful interventions but haven't done so consistently and their failures have usually come at a time when the opposition is bearing down most heavily. I hope they can redeem themselves in the second innings. The match isn't lost yet and we have a varied enough attack to both take wickets and create pressure. |
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Post by jonboy on Jun 11, 2017 10:14:43 GMT
So where is Frawdy?
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Post by flashblade on Jun 11, 2017 10:22:22 GMT
No idea, but his twin brother, liquidskin, has made some great contributions recently. |
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Post by joe on Jun 11, 2017 11:07:37 GMT
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 11, 2017 11:55:48 GMT
Bad luck and trouble is my only friend Ive been down ever since I was ten Born under a bad sign Been down since I began to crawl If I didnt have bad luck I wouldnt have no luck at all..... |
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 11, 2017 12:52:44 GMT
On the other hand...79/5, Archer firing well, Briggs getting a key wicket and I'm delighted to see it all....albeit through scorescards and Twitter etc. Look forward to much more of this and to hearing from 2015t20everpresent with the eyewitness view later. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 11, 2017 13:27:38 GMT
Adrian Harms glows about Archer on BBC Website.
Leicestershire 340 & 107-7 (33 overs) v Sussex 284
Adrian Harms, Sports reporter, BBC Sussex
It's very difficult not to get carried away watching Jofra Archer bowl. Jon Lewis, the respected Sussex bowling coach, says he's the best
22-year-old in the country and it's hard not to agree. Nine wickets on an unhelpful pitch is an outstanding effort, and he has dragged
Sussex back into a game that looked beyond them at 157-7 yesterday. That being said, 200 may be a difficult chase on a pitch offering
some variable bounce, but it's now advantage Sussex in this game.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 11, 2017 13:38:49 GMT
Adrian Harms glows about Archer on BBC Website. Leicestershire 340 & 107-7 (33 overs) v Sussex 284Adrian Harms, Sports reporter, BBC SussexIt's very difficult not to get carried away watching Jofra Archer bowl. Jon Lewis, the respected Sussex bowling coach, says he's the best
22-year-old in the country and it's hard not to agree. Nine wickets on an unhelpful pitch is an outstanding effort, and he has dragged
Sussex back into a game that looked beyond them at 157-7 yesterday. That being said, 200 may be a difficult chase on a pitch offering
some variable bounce, but it's now advantage Sussex in this game.With Philander leaving, Magoffin injured and Jordan out of sorts, we have to be careful not to burn Archer out. We have to remember, despite his exploits, he's only a youngster playing his first full season. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 11, 2017 13:48:05 GMT
Given the variable bounce, Harms keeps stating that anything over 200 runs and the Sussex batsman will find the score difficult to
chase down. With VDP not able to bat in the second innings, the time has come for our senior batsmen like Nash and Wright to come
to the fore.
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Post by flashblade on Jun 11, 2017 14:03:20 GMT
Given the variable bounce, Harms keeps stating that anything over 200 runs and the Sussex batsman will find the score difficult to chase down. With VDP not able to bat in the second innings, the time has come for our senior batsmen like Nash and Wright to come
to the fore. Well chosen expression, fluffy. Many of our less erudite contributors (including me) would have been tempted to urge them to "step up to the plate".  |
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