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Post by therealab1 on Sept 5, 2023 12:44:50 GMT
Looking at possibles and hopefuls for next year on the out of contract list.
Nick Browne from Essex has yet to sign a new deal. Cam Steel all-rounder of Surrey could be an option too.
Seriously looking out there, there isnt a great deal around.
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Post by therealab1 on Sept 5, 2023 12:51:11 GMT
They have to bat 3 and a half more sessions minimum to escape from this game with a draw. I cant see it happening and I'm desperately hoping I'm wrong. Would a draw paper over cracks again though! The difference between where we are and where we need to get to could not be demonstrated any better than a comparison between the two sides in this match. Lees comfortably over 1200 runs for the season, Potts and Raine 50 wickets apiece and still two games to play. A good blend of experience and youth. Five players in and around the England under 19 set up. We have a long way to go to get promotion and maintain a place in the top division. Having said that, there has been improvement this season, but a combination of players out of form, youngsters not yet ready, a need for more experienced established recruitment and some I am sorry to say not good enough explain why we are most likely to fall short. Yep cant disagree with any of that. I would say we are in a far stronger financial position than Durham but that's not going to appease fans at this point. Also I hope people see that removing Greenfield from his position was always going to make no difference at all other than freeing him up to focus on one area which continues to thrive. Farbs has to have his own team next season and thats coaching staff too.
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Post by devonexile on Sept 5, 2023 12:59:48 GMT
Looking at possibles and hopefuls for next year on the out of contract list. Nick Browne from Essex has yet to sign a new deal. Cam Steel all-rounder of Surrey could be an option too. Seriously looking out there, there isnt a great deal around. Both geographically possible, which makes it more frustrating we couldn't snag someone like Ollie Robinson, who preferred to relocate to Durham rather than Sussex from Kent. I have a feeling Chris Wright will be a good signing and add some much needed strength to our bowling. Having watched Danny Lamb play against us at Taunton, the jury is still out on that one.
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Post by therealab1 on Sept 5, 2023 13:02:06 GMT
Looking at possibles and hopefuls for next year on the out of contract list. Nick Browne from Essex has yet to sign a new deal. Cam Steel all-rounder of Surrey could be an option too. Seriously looking out there, there isnt a great deal around. Both geographically possible, which makes it more frustrating we couldn't snag someone like Ollie Robinson, who preferred to relocate to Durham rather than Sussex from Kent. Yep and both would need incredibly tempting offers to come down here.
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Post by devonexile on Sept 5, 2023 13:06:19 GMT
Right on cue, Robinson gets a stumping out of nowhere.
On a different topic, not for the first time this season, their front line spinner out bowls ours.
Parkinson 21.3-2-58-4. Drissell 19-3-47-1.
Carson 28-3-126-3.
Parkinson already snagged one second time around.
Concerning!!
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Post by therealab1 on Sept 5, 2023 13:11:11 GMT
Stumped to a forward defensive shot too.
However Coles counter attacking double century leaves Sussex with slim chance of snatching victory will be tonight's headline
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Post by squarepoint on Sept 5, 2023 13:20:02 GMT
I’ll just be relieved to get this one over with however quickly it happens. Hope it will put an end to delusional talk about promotion allowing us to take a long hard look at what we need to do in the close season. Too many of our team have played below their potential this year. The reasons for this need to be identified and addressed.
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Post by therealab1 on Sept 5, 2023 13:20:31 GMT
Or not!
Pathetic performance no other word for it
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Post by therealab1 on Sept 5, 2023 13:21:06 GMT
I’ll just be relieved to get this one over with however quickly it happens. Hope it will put an end to delusional talk about promotion allowing us to take a long hard look at what we need to do in the close season. Too many of our team have played below their potential this year. The reasons for this need to be identified and addressed. Spot on that!
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 5, 2023 16:40:16 GMT
Crocombe now has 18 wickets @ 32.
Carson has 21 wickets @ 51.
Perception of Carson's performance on this messageboard is for some reason, unbeknown to me, far more favourable than Crocombe.
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Post by devonexile on Sept 5, 2023 17:00:57 GMT
Crocombe now has 18 wickets @ 32. Carson has 21 wickets @ 51. Perception of Carson's performance on this messageboard is for some reason, unbeknown to me, far more favourable than Crocombe. Crocombe's late haul today has improved his average, otherwise he would be 41.36. Economy rates for both aren't great, 4.18 for Crocombe and 3.99 for Carson. I will nail my colours to the mast CP, I am yet to be convinced by either. Crocombe may have been restricted from being part of an inexperienced and ineffective bowling attack and his development may have suffered as a result. He wouldn't have been in my eleven for this match. A lot of talk about Carson being a future England prospect. Not sure how people are reaching that conclusion. Far too often he has been out bowled by the opposition's spinner. The spinner in question, on occasion no more experienced than him. There was an interesting discussion in commentary when Ryan Campbell the Durham Coach talked about the importance of a front line spinner. At present, Carson for me is not at that level. As per my earlier post, I am surprised at both their recent contract extensions. No doubt others may hold an alternative viewpoint.
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 5, 2023 17:13:34 GMT
Crocombe now has 18 wickets @ 32. Carson has 21 wickets @ 51. Perception of Carson's performance on this messageboard is for some reason, unbeknown to me, far more favourable than Crocombe. Crocombe's late haul today has improved his average, otherwise he would be 41.36. Economy rates for both aren't great, 4.18 for Crocombe and 3.99 for Carson. I will nail my colours to the mast CP, I am yet to be convinced by either. Crocombe may have been restricted from being part of an inexperienced and ineffective bowling attack and his development may have suffered as a result. He wouldn't have been in my eleven for this match. A lot of talk about Carson being a future England prospect. Not sure how people are reaching that conclusion. Far too often he has been out bowled by the opposition's spinner. The spinner in question, on occasion no more experienced than him. There was an interesting discussion in commentary when Ryan Campbell the Durham Coach talked about the importance of a front line spinner. At present, Carson for me is not at that level. As per my earlier post, I am surprised at both their recent contract extensions. No doubt others may hold an alternative viewpoint. I agree I don't think either have done enough to warrant a three year contract extensions. One year (as a kick up the arse) to perform would have sufficed.
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Post by devonexile on Sept 5, 2023 17:24:11 GMT
Crocombe's late haul today has improved his average, otherwise he would be 41.36. Economy rates for both aren't great, 4.18 for Crocombe and 3.99 for Carson. I will nail my colours to the mast CP, I am yet to be convinced by either. Crocombe may have been restricted from being part of an inexperienced and ineffective bowling attack and his development may have suffered as a result. He wouldn't have been in my eleven for this match. A lot of talk about Carson being a future England prospect. Not sure how people are reaching that conclusion. Far too often he has been out bowled by the opposition's spinner. The spinner in question, on occasion no more experienced than him. There was an interesting discussion in commentary when Ryan Campbell the Durham Coach talked about the importance of a front line spinner. At present, Carson for me is not at that level. As per my earlier post, I am surprised at both their recent contract extensions. No doubt others may hold an alternative viewpoint. I agree I don't think either have done enough to warrant a three year contract extensions. One year (as a kick up the arse) to perform would have sufficed. Exactly and in Carson's case get in another spinner as competition for the place, even if only on loan. Make him demonstrate he wants it and is good enough. All too easy for him at the moment. As for Crocombe, back in the seconds and stay there until you get plenty of wickets on a regular basis.
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Post by squarepoint on Sept 5, 2023 17:57:29 GMT
It’s not entirely fair to compare the bowling average of a seamer and a spinner. They tend to bowl in different conditions. For instance (and with apologies for reminding people of the occasion) Carson had to bowl a large number of overs in Glamorgan’s record breaking second innings this year.
Also, it takes spin bowlers longer to perfect their trade. For example Graeme Swann was pretty ordinary at Carson’s current age too.
Having said that I do feel he’s been overpraised and expectations set too high. He has a lot to prove and I agree, would benefit from competition in the squad. This is one area where we might tempt a decent player away because few counties treat their spin bowlers well.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Sept 5, 2023 18:51:50 GMT
How did the new lad bowl? Was he better than his figures suggest?
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