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Post by coverpoint on Sept 5, 2023 21:43:18 GMT
It’s not entirely fair to compare the bowling average of a seamer and a spinner. They tend to bowl in different conditions. For instance (and with apologies for reminding people of the occasion) Carson had to bowl a large number of overs in Glamorgan’s record breaking second innings this year. Also, it takes spin bowlers longer to perfect their trade. For example Graeme Swann was pretty ordinary at Carson’s current age too. Having said that I do feel he’s been overpraised and expectations set too high. He has a lot to prove and I agree, would benefit from competition in the squad. This is one area where we might tempt a decent player away because few counties treat their spin bowlers well. At the moment I don't see Carson as anymore than a second spinner. He has massively gone backwards from a couple of years ago before the injury and the Salisbury fiasco.
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Post by yikemardy on Sept 6, 2023 8:15:00 GMT
This season Carson is neither a wicket-taking spinner nor capable of stopping the flow of runs. Crocombe lacks the consistency and skill to take wickets when it matters. He will pick up a few when the slog is on though, like yesterday. Big deal. The horse had bolted. They are still young and are worth keeping, if for no other reason that we have already invested in them. But giving them long-term contracts was another Sussex blunder.
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Post by therealab1 on Sept 6, 2023 8:33:23 GMT
This season Carson is neither a wicket-taking spinner nor capable of stopping the flow of runs. Crocombe lacks the consistency and skill to take wickets when it matters. He will pick up a few when the slog is on though, like yesterday. Big deal. The horse had bolted. They are still young and are worth keeping, if for no other reason that we have already invested in them. But giving them long-term contracts was another Sussex blunder. Good post, the contracts are down to Farbrace now, I'd say he's finally seen what he's dealing with
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Post by herring on Sept 6, 2023 9:31:26 GMT
This season Carson is neither a wicket-taking spinner nor capable of stopping the flow of runs. Crocombe lacks the consistency and skill to take wickets when it matters. He will pick up a few when the slog is on though, like yesterday. Big deal. The horse had bolted. They are still young and are worth keeping, if for no other reason that we have already invested in them. But giving them long-term contracts was another Sussex blunder. Good post, the contracts are down to Farbrace now, I'd say he's finally seen what he's dealing with Agree so many wickets in the last 20 overs are freeebies
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Post by j on Sept 6, 2023 10:11:06 GMT
Crocombe now has 18 wickets @ 32. Carson has 21 wickets @ 51. Perception of Carson's performance on this messageboard is for some reason, unbeknown to me, far more favourable than Crocombe. Crocombe picks up a lot of cheap wickets bowling at the tail with his pace. Very rarely does he dominate an opposition and wear them down over a long period of time with accuracy.
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Post by devonexile on Sept 6, 2023 10:42:39 GMT
How did the new lad bowl? Was he better than his figures suggest? Looks decent Mrs D and despite his figures, I thought he was the pick of our bowlers. However, given how limited our bowling unit has been this season, the bar is set quite low. Interestingly when the second new ball was due, he came back on in the 76th over, bowled just one over, then taken off to return for the new ball in the 81st. Bowled just two overs, taken off and then we had the pleasure of Karvelas, Crocombe, H-P, Haines, Carson and Coles get hit to all parts at 6 runs plus an over. Didn't understand the logic in that one!! Not sure what others feel, but it felt he needed someone applying pressure at the other end, if we are to get the best out of him. Robinson and him in tandem would be a good combination, although whether we will ever get to see that is questionable. Even more so seeing he has just fallen in his follow through and left the field. One thing he does need to improve is his speed of walking back to the start of his run up. Our over rate was not great until the spinners somehow got it back on track.
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Post by j on Sept 6, 2023 10:56:27 GMT
Unadkat now injured. We are cursed.
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Post by devonexile on Sept 6, 2023 11:04:18 GMT
Does anyone reckon Carson has been reading some of the comments on here?
Looks a different bowler today.
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Post by sixandout on Sept 6, 2023 11:47:28 GMT
Does anyone reckon Carson has been reading some of the comments on here? Looks a different bowler today. I was wondering the same thing. Sounds like we need to wind up before the remaining three games! If we had had 200 to defend, you never know...
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Post by mrsdoyle on Sept 6, 2023 12:49:22 GMT
How did the new lad bowl? Was he better than his figures suggest? Looks decent Mrs D and despite his figures, I thought he was the pick of our bowlers. However, given how limited our bowling unit has been this season, the bar is set quite low. Interestingly when the second new ball was due, he came back on in the 76th over, bowled just one over, then taken off to return for the new ball in the 81st. Bowled just two overs, taken off and then we had the pleasure of Karvelas, Crocombe, H-P, Haines, Carson and Coles get hit to all parts at 6 runs plus an over. Didn't understand the logic in that one!! Not sure what others feel, but it felt he needed someone applying pressure at the other end, if we are to get the best out of him. Robinson and him in tandem would be a good combination, although whether we will ever get to see that is questionable. Even more so seeing he has just fallen in his follow through and left the field. One thing he does need to improve is his speed of walking back to the start of his run up. Our over rate was not great until the spinners somehow got it back on track. Thank you for this info, let’s hope it’s nothing serious
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Post by sponge on Sept 6, 2023 15:56:46 GMT
Interesting post match interview with Farbrace. Lots of change to happen close season. Let's hope he is given the budget and support by Andrew and Co. Irrespective of contracts who will go and who will stay?
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Post by surreysteve on Sept 6, 2023 16:07:10 GMT
Cam Steel would be a good signing for you guys. Decent batsman and can bowl a few leggies. I think Currie, Atkins maybe Ibrahim will go.
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Post by sixandout on Sept 6, 2023 16:59:47 GMT
Interesting post match interview with Farbrace. Lots of change to happen close season. Let's hope he is given the budget and support by Andrew and Co. Irrespective of contracts who will go and who will stay? I agree interesting post-match interview. Farbrace can't be criticised for his honesty. From he was saying, I see this as a crossroads. Either we ship out three players and get three solid ones as replacements or things won't improve. Whether he stays or not without that backing is, of course, pure speculation. One of the most difficult problems is that whilst the several batsmen have progressed over the last two years (although one or two have gone backwards), none of the young bowlers have risen above the others. There will be need to be some tough decisions and some astute recruitment. It could be an exciting or a disappointing winter.
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Post by herring on Sept 6, 2023 19:24:06 GMT
Farbrace now saying what we were all saying 4 years ago. Experienced players with a few youngsters. What about Luke Wells and Ben Brown.
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Post by j on Sept 6, 2023 20:06:57 GMT
Interesting post match interview with Farbrace. Lots of change to happen close season. Let's hope he is given the budget and support by Andrew and Co. Irrespective of contracts who will go and who will stay? I agree interesting post-match interview. Farbrace can't be criticised for his honesty. From he was saying, I see this as a crossroads. Either we ship out three players and get three solid ones as replacements or things won't improve. Whether he stays or not without that backing is, of course, pure speculation. One of the most difficult problems is that whilst the several batsmen have progressed over the last two years (although one or two have gone backwards), none of the young bowlers have risen above the others. There will be need to be some tough decisions and some astute recruitment. It could be an exciting or a disappointing winter. Three players? You're joking aren't you? Atkins - Never fit and never consistent. Goodbye. Carson - Jury still out on him. Seems to have gone backwards. Clark - Plenty of opportunities in all formats and isn't consistent enough. Get rid. Coles - Improved this season but still yet to be totally convinced. Steel would be a huge upgrade. Crocombe - Get gone. Garton - Seems to be fit for everything except playing for Sussex. Probably on big money. Wouldn't be upset at all if he went. Hunt - Not good enough. Goodbye. Ibrahim - What's happened to him? Definitely potential there but needs to start showing it. Lenham - Where is he? Not good enough? Another one who can go, no problem. Mills - Can't seem to play matches in a tight schedule, always complaining about something. Another one who I wouldn't be upset if he went. Tear - Not kicked on from the end of last season where he did show some promise. Off as well. Ward - Needed a run at the top of the order in T20 to really prove himself. Should be putting him on a white ball contract. Kirtley - Everyone who he works with seems to regress. A brilliant player for us, but a dreadful coach. Get rid. Andrew - I surely needn't explain. I want a proper clear out. Moving aside just a couple of players and replacing them with another set of 38 year olds will not do the job.
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