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Post by jonboy on May 29, 2017 18:05:43 GMT
Although HH clearly doesn't know what a journeyman is in sporting terms - Lewry and M-J were one county men mate, he does know that coaches don't get sacked mid season in county cricket. They may walk out but it may be a first if Davis gets pushed mid season. That doesn't mean it shouldn't happen of course.
Archer has been excellent JB, much better than the Kolpaks. Burgess has to play and that he's played well is a bonus. The youngsters shouldn't be expected to play as well as 30 year old former internationals but if they do your Kolpaks aren't doing enough. Everybody knows it's a bad, desperate and short term route so the least you expect is that they are good. They're not atrocious by any stretch but are they warranting their inclusion? We may as well spend the money elsewhere and blood our own if they're only average.
We need an overseas bat, we all know that, it couldn't be more obvious. For now, recognise your weaknesses and pick the right team and right balance. Briggs is obsolete and because of that in part, so is Weise. If we play our four best bowlers, and there are no four better, with six batters and Burgess we can move forward successfully. I think Robson can play and as he is an actual opener he probably should.
My point was, both Archer and Burgess performed consistently in friendlies, and for the seconds. Some of our obviously talented youngsters need to produce regularly for seconds. This is aimed primarily at the young batsmen, as I note that Whittingham and Sakande are starting to pick up wickets regularly. I wasn't comparing the youngsters with the established pros, more about what they are producing in second eleven cricket. If they perform, they will get in. |
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Post by wishibowledfaster on May 29, 2017 18:07:29 GMT
Considering the bloodbath that we were staring down the barrel of at least certain players are able to hold their heads high. Philander is very much showing his worth as a competitor, let alone a very talented bowler, I hope that wears off on others. Just hope some of the senior players such as Nash, Wright, and Jordan take a good long hard look at themselves, asking far too much of young Burgess, Archer and poor Finch who seems to have become the target for much of the ill feeling towards the top order. It's time for the county to make a decision regarding its direction, too many young players not being allowed to gain experience to allow for long term success, aiming for short term gains with Kolpacks have led to immediate mediocrity. Not sure that Finch has become a scapegoat He isn't an opener, he's given it a go, and it hasn't worked out, but I think people actually admire him for putting his hand up and giving it a go. Now, for his own sake, he needs to drop back down the order This is a consequence of not signing a proper opener. Also don't really agree that youngsters have had their passage blocked. Archer, and to a lesser extent, Burgess, both have shown that if you perform regularly, you'll probably get picked. The young players I'm thinking of are more like Rawlings, Whittingham, and even though he's not as young, he shows great potential as a genuine opener, Robson. |
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Post by jonboy on May 29, 2017 18:08:29 GMT
Neither thought is altogether ideal or well thought out (bank holiday beers), but when Ben Brown comes back from broken finger: Try as an opener and Burgess continue, he's doing well with bat and gloves it seems Or, go into the middle order, borrow the captaincy and Luke takes a break afore the T20, or opens? I like the idea of Ben coming back in as a batter and staying with Burgess behind the stumps. I wonder how Ben would take this though. As vice captain, and the senior keeper, nay, the only contracted keeper, losing his place to a trialist |
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Post by jonboy on May 29, 2017 18:10:24 GMT
Not sure that Finch has become a scapegoat He isn't an opener, he's given it a go, and it hasn't worked out, but I think people actually admire him for putting his hand up and giving it a go. Now, for his own sake, he needs to drop back down the order This is a consequence of not signing a proper opener. Also don't really agree that youngsters have had their passage blocked. Archer, and to a lesser extent, Burgess, both have shown that if you perform regularly, you'll probably get picked. The young players I'm thinking of are more like Rawlings, Whittingham, and even though he's not as young, he shows great potential as a genuine opener, Robson. Robson might well have been the solution, however I understand he is not currently allowed to play for Sussex firsts |
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Post by henryr on May 29, 2017 18:53:36 GMT
I like the idea of Ben coming back in as a batter and staying with Burgess behind the stumps. I wonder how Ben would take this though. As vice captain, and the senior keeper, nay, the only contracted keeper, losing his place to a trialist Either/or I guess.... Both would get in the team on batting form (injury aside). I just wonder if opener or middle order and skipper would be responsibility/duty enough for now |
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Post by hhsussex on May 29, 2017 18:59:12 GMT
Although HH clearly doesn't know what a journeyman is in sporting terms - Lewry and M-J were one county men mate, he does know that coaches don't get sacked mid season in county cricket. They may walk out but it may be a first if Davis gets pushed mid season. That doesn't mean it shouldn't happen of course.
Archer has been excellent JB, much better than the Kolpaks. Burgess has to play and that he's played well is a bonus. The youngsters shouldn't be expected to play as well as 30 year old former internationals but if they do your Kolpaks aren't doing enough. Everybody knows it's a bad, desperate and short term route so the least you expect is that they are good. They're not atrocious by any stretch but are they warranting their inclusion? We may as well spend the money elsewhere and blood our own if they're only average.
We need an overseas bat, we all know that, it couldn't be more obvious. For now, recognise your weaknesses and pick the right team and right balance. Briggs is obsolete and because of that in part, so is Weise. If we play our four best bowlers, and there are no four better, with six batters and Burgess we can move forward successfully. I think Robson can play and as he is an actual opener he probably should.
I am, as always, grateful for your condescension. Playing for one county doesn't make you better or worse than anyone else. Playing only for your county, and not quite getting to international status makes for a journeyman: a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding. I can't think of much higher praise. Ben Stokes will never be a journeyman, not Jos Buttler, nor Stuart Broad. 30 years ago Jimmy Anderson might have been, as there were were more bowlers of his style operating. Different times, pitches,selectorial and media opinion decide these things, not you, "liquidskin", or me. As to the Kolpaks, I'm afraid that they have actually done well: Van Zyl has scored runs in both competitions, rather boringly, but without him we wouldn't have had any middle order at all, and Weise has made useful runs and taken useful wickets, surely what we wanted? I don't think they should have been targeted for contracts, but they are good, solid professionals - journeymen again - and they have lived up to their status. |
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Post by joe on May 30, 2017 6:28:38 GMT
I like the idea of Ben coming back in as a batter and staying with Burgess behind the stumps. I wonder how Ben would take this though. As vice captain, and the senior keeper, nay, the only contracted keeper, losing his place to a trialist I was thinking more that he could perhaps come back into the side earlier from a broken finger as a batter than he could as a keeper? |
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Post by magik on May 30, 2017 7:16:33 GMT
Ben Brown isn't the type of person that would be offended by Burgess retaining the gloves when he comes back into the squad. I think it would be a good option, especially considering Brown's struggled quite a bit with the gloves last season.
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